Wednesday, February 10, 2010

Is America in the Bible?

When I was on AOL Blogs about a hundred years ago, I wrote a few times about how America is not in the Bible. The following article is one of the best I have seen on this topic, and although it will not be popular with most folks, those who believe in the prophecies of the Bible will understand this completely. I pray that people who have doubts or don't understand the Bible will learn and understand the signs of the times we are in. I pray that they will see the world through the Holy Spirit- not the way we are used to looking at things.

Mark Hitchcock Discusses the US as a Following Nation

By Nathan Jones

Instead of a leading nation, will the United States of America in the end times become a following nation?

Dr. David Reagan and I recently had the pleasure of interviewing Dr. Mark Hitchcock on the show Christ in Prophecy. Mark is a leading Bible prophecy expert, prolific author who has penned over 20 books on the end times, senior pastor of Faith Bible Church located in Oklahoma, and adjunct faculty member of the Dallas Theological Seminary. He is also a much in demand speaker at Bible prophecy conferences all over the nation.

Dr. Hitchcock was invited to answer questions based on his book The Late Great United States. The subtitle of Mark's fascinating book — What Bible Prophecy Reveals About America's Last Days — states the purpose. The book digs deep into the Bible, mining for any textual nugget that might reveal some value as to the United States' future as an end time player.

The United States as a Following Nation

Dr. Hitchcock: I don't think America is mentioned in Bible prophecy. I don't see America anywhere, but then that raises a really large question of why? Of course, a lot of people would say, "Well, we are not mentioned in the Bible just like a lot of countries are not mentioned." Canada isn't mentioned. Brazil isn't mentioned.

Dr. Reagan: Yes, but they are not dominating the world.

Dr. Hitchcock: That's right.

Nathan Jones: They're not AMERICA!

Dr. Hitchcock: I have never been to a conference and been asked, "Where is Canada in prophecy, or where is Brazil?" But, it makes sense that people would ask about the U.S. because we currently are the most dominant political, economic, and military nation that has ever existed.

Dr. Reagan: And, it is even more pressing when you consider the fact that the signs of the times indicate we are right on the threshold of the Tribulation.

Dr. Hitchcock: That's right. We are the great protector of Israel as well. Plus, God did mention nations that were far away from Israel. He mentions Rosh which we know is Russia. He mentions the kings of the East, some probably from China. So, God did mention places far away. If He had wanted to mention the U.S. He could have. The fact that we are not there leads me to believe that something will happen to our country that will cause us to go from being a leading nation to being a following nation.

Dr. Reagan: What do you think that is?

Dr. Hitchcock: There are a number of different reasons we can look at today. Since the Bible doesn't tell us, we then have to engage in some speculation, but I think it is speculation that is justified.

We can look at our world today and see that oil is our Achilles' heel. Back when the Arab Oil Embargo happened in 1973 and 1974, we were importing 35% of our oil and we said we've got to get off this oil addiction. Well, now we're importing 70%! Those nations have us literally over a barrel with oil, and that is a serious thing.

Another possibility is that we have the whole economic crisis, and our nation has adopted policies that are clearly going to bankrupt us. California is a good example of huge economies going bankrupt. Officially, California is already bankrupt.

The national debt clock has been spinning — 10 billion, 10 trillion, 11 trillion. Really, the amount of money becomes almost meaningless after reaching such debt. We are not selling as much as we're buying. China is mainly underwriting and financing all of this debt. We are the greatest debtor nation in all of history.

Another possibility is radical Islam. Could there be a nuclear 9/11? I hate to even say that. God forbid that would happen because we love this country and we don't want something like that to take place, but it could.

Dr. Reagan: All a terrorist would have to do is float a merchant ship into New York Harbor with a suicide crew, set off a nuclear weapon, and this nation would be in utter chaos. We would have military law overnight.

Dr. Hitchcock: Think of what that would do to our nation financially, but more importantly psychologically. There are people in this world who wake up every morning, spend all day, and then go to bed at night thinking about how they can bring down the United States which they call the "Great Satan." Today a radical Islamic attack is a very real possibility, something that horrifies us to think of it, but it certainly could take place.

Those are some of the kinds of things that we can look out there and speculate on. We are certainly looking at a collapse from within. Just look at the moral fiber of our country and the weakening of it and the way this country has moved past biblical values.

Dr. Reagan: It is what happened to the Roman Empire. It is what happened to the Russian Empire.

Nathan Jones: History's proven that any nation that adopts homosexuality as a way of life, that is the last chapter in their history.

Dr. Hitchcock: Alexander Tytler years ago explained the different phases that nations go through from birth to death. Did you know that the length of time for the existence of any of the world's greatest powers has been about 200 years? That means the United States is on borrowed time as a country.

There is a biblical event that I think points to what could happen to America — the Rapture. The Rapture is that future event when Christ is going to descend from Heaven and all believers on the Earth are going to disappear the Bible says in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye. Every believer on the face of the earth is going to be caught up to meet the Lord in the air.

That is an event the Bible gives that to me provides a very good reason as to what could cause this country to falter. When the Rapture takes place there will be believers raptured from all over the world, but America by any estimation has the largest percentage of true believers who know Jesus Christ as their Savior. There are more believers in the U.S. than all of Western Europe and England put together, where it could be below 1% in those nations.

I will never forget years ago when I was traveling from over near Ephesus to Ismer, Turkey. While riding up around the edge of the city I looked down on a city of 3 million people and learned there are only about 2,000 or 3,000 believers living there. I realized that when the Rapture happens they will never know the difference in population. This American on the bus who disappeared, well they could care less.

Now, in the United States, truly born-again believers in Christ may be about 8% to 10% according to the best statistics I have ever read on the people in this country. With believers gone the salt and light is gone. Now, you talk about a drop on the Dow Jones the next day!

Dr. Reagan: You are talking about the Rapture as an event separate and apart from the Second Coming?

Dr. Hitchcock: That's right, I would say that the Lord's coming is going to happen in two phases. There are not two Second Comings. The Lord is going to come back to the Earth at His Second Coming, but at least seven years earlier the Rapture will occur and we are going to be caught up and meet Him in the air.

Dr. Reagan: When Jesus appears in the heavens at the Rapture He is not going to come right back down to the Earth. When He appears, all believers both living and dead are taken up. You know, when that happens there will be absolute total chaos in this country.

Dr. Hitchcock: There would be, and all over the world, but especially here in this country.

Dr. Reagan: We've got born again Christians in key positions all over this country — military, education, business — you name it. The only way this nation could continue to exist would be to have military marshall law overnight. Think of all the churches that would suddenly be raided, with people stealing the sound boxes and stealing the computers and everything they could get their hands on.

Nathan Jones: We think that the immorality is bad now, but can you imagine with the removal of the Church how removed the restraining influence on the government will be? Can you imagine the immorality that would suddenly be legalized?

Dr. Hitchcock: Yes, immorality would run rampant once all the believers are taken out, and so too any support for Israel, which is the one thing I believe even with our nation as bad off as we are in, is staying God's hand against our country. Overall, we still have always been a country that's supported Israel. Now, that is beginning to wane seriously in our country and it's something we need to be very concerned about, but I think over our history we've received good marks on our report card for how we have treated the Jewish people. God has blessed our nation greatly because of that.

Once all the Christians disappear, the moral rot will deepen in our country, the support for Israel will be taken away, and that I think would deepen what evil takes place here.

I also think Europe will rise when the U.S. wanes. Europe right now is the strongest economy in the world. Did you know the European Union is going to lose less then 1% of their population to the Rapture, while we will lose 8-10% of our population? America will become at that time I believe a following nation rather than a leading nation in the world.


  1. "Nathan Jones: We think that the immorality is bad now, but can you imagine with the removal of the Church how removed the restraining influence on the government will be? Can you imagine the immorality that would suddenly be legalized?"

    That's pretty arrogant, don't you think?

  2. Not really Matt. Sorry you feel that way- and it might seem that way to unbelievers. It's not that Christians are perfect, because I'm not, and I haven't met one yet, but there are a lot of things that Christians believe because of our beliefs that are immoral, and there is much more immorality now than there used to be. What he is saying is that once Christians are raptured, anything will be allowable. Not that Christians have that much sway on what is and isn't legal, but once us "fundamentalists" are gone, many people will feel that it's a freeing thing for them to do whatever they want.
    I know a few self professed agnostics and atheists who are excellent and moral folks, so it's really not a generalization of non believers.
    It all is because of our faith and our faith in the Bible- which shows that once Godliness is removed, ungodly practices become prevailant.
    Thanks for your comment Matt. I wish I could explain it better.

  3. Carolyn,

    Yeah, you might want to take another stab at that...

    You basically said;

    I don't want to generalize unbelievers because many are excellent and moral people - but once the Christians are gone they're going to turn the world into an immoral, hedonistic hell-hole.

    Oh, and these Christians who are leaving don't really have any sway over how the world operates today - but once they're gone everything's going to hell in a hand basket.

    I see a lot of contradiction and not a lot of logic in this.

    "there is much more immorality now than there used to be."

    That's clearly incorrect, even according to your own beliefs. How bad was the world prior to Noah's flood?


  4. Matt, I never claimed to be very good at arguing a point. Much of the time, I write or speak of what I believe and what I believe in. I'm not trying to be contradictory. What the Bible says, I believe. When Christians are raptured, a lot of people will be happy about that, because they won't have us judging what they do anymore. I'm not, and the author is not saying that every person will be immoral and corrupt, but there will be many who are, who see the absence of Christians as a good thing, and a sign to them to be able to go ahead and do whatever they want, without having to hear from Christians.
    When the Christians are gone, the Holy Spirit will no longer be in the world, instead the antichrist will be coming to power, and he will be nothing more than a puppet of satan.
    I know many people who scoff, and think I'm an idiot for my belief in this to be true, but I trust in the Bible, and prophecies written there- most of which have already happened.
    Interesting that you bring up Noah's time, even though you don't believe in the flood- but Jesus said the times near the end will be just as the times of Noah. So, yeah, people were immoral then, just as now, and look what happened. Just as in Noah's day, people mocked him for building a boat on dry land with no rain. Just as people mock Bible believing Christians for trying to warn people now.
    One thing I couldn't understand though Matt, is that out of the whole article, the only thing you found worth commenting on was something you though arrogant. There was nothing else which you had thoughts about?
    I'm not trying to be mean, or judgmental to you or anyone else. I'm trying, as most Bible believing Christians are, trying to show that the Bible has told us where the world is going, and that although people scoff, many are seeing the things going on in the world and want to know what's happening and why.
    I know there are millions who don't believe as I do, and I won't shove anything down anyone's throat- all I am trying to do it show that the Bible has told about the things which are happening, and if anyone is interested, they can find out where it's heading.
    I appreciate your reading and comments Matt- I may not answer the way you want, or might misunderstand sometimes, but I always welcome and appreciate other points of view, even if I don't believe in them myself.

  5. Hi Matt,
    I thought you had a good point about the violence in Noah's day. The sons of the true God saw the daughters of men on earth and forsook their natural forms--coming to earth and putting on fleshly bodies and took whom ever they wanted - women. Their offspring were called Nephilim [sp?] and were tall,mighty, huge freaks of nature. But per civilizations, without "God's Restraint" [some believe that to be the Holy Spirit] after the Trib starts, immorality will florish generally speaking, just like Bozo obama is now allowing Sodomites to freely join the Army, Navy, etc.
    I am a Disabled Vietnam Veteran: 68-70, and for many warriors, the 'Gay infusion' will really mess up the Army! I write a Christian Blog: TOM'S JOURNAL.

    Tom Schuckman

  6. I read the Late Great United States. I also read Dr. David Jeremiah's book "What In the World Is Going On?" Both talk about the demise of America as a world power and becoming a subserviant nation. There are signs everywhere that America is on the decline in all areas. We are owned by China, our economy is in the toilet, we are being taken over from the inside by sleeper cells. Am I a doomsdayist? No, I am a realist. I see it happening and I sense the urgency of getting it together for the Lord's return. Yes the world has always been corrupt. But there is a much larger evil looming that only those with spiritual discernment can see. If that statement angers you, you obviously don't have spiritual discernment. "The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians 2:14 (NIV)

  7. Excellently put Shrink - thank you.